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Article: 13194 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman
From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: VMS savesets to VMS/C-kermit via MSkermit on Win98?
Date: 5 Feb 2002 13:29:07 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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The desire to be able to have simple method for transfering files is
nice but you need to have some form of workable connection to transfer
those files across. Today that means you need to be able to support:
. plug n play serial ports on Windows (MS-DOS Kermit does not)
. WinModems on Windows (MS-DOS Kermit does not)
. The native TCP/IP stack (MS-DOS Kermit does not)
. a variety of TCP/IP networking protocols including but not
limited to Telnet, Rlogin, FTP, and SSH. But then, what good are
these protocols over the internet if they are not secure?
. On a non-Unix system you then need solid terminal emulation
. Automation of these sessions requires a robust integrated
scripting language
. And cross platform transfers requires a method for detecting
and switching automatically between text and binary file formats
as well as an ability to convert between character sets
With all that you end up with Kermit 95. Its not a question of not
wanting to be small but the requirements for a file transfer program
have grown significantly since 1980.
As for the issues between MS-DOS Kermit and VMS C-Kermit. Your
description implied a communication failure between the Windows 98
and VMS systems. MS-DOS Kermit is not a native Windows application
and cannot work well in plug n play environments. However, if you
problem is not communication related then it is most likely caused
by the use of an very old version of MS-DOS Kermit that may have a
bug that prevents the use of some of the Kermit Protocol extensions
found in modern C-Kermit implementations. Or it could simply be
that the new defaults in C-Kermit 8.0 which choose speed over safety
are overloading your communication line. Try the ROBUST command
in C-Kermit.
In article <d0e744c9.0202042222.6a0cf04@posting.google.com>,
Lee Roth <leeroth@my-deja.com> wrote:
: Well Jeffery, Kermit 95 won't be what I use. This is a one-time only
: effort for a hobby VMS system - once I have TCP/IP going I won't need
: Kermit and I'm sure not going to pay $64 for a one-shot deal. I'm not
: upset, I just am not going to spend that kind of money to transfer 4
: files.
:
: I recall when Kermit didn't try to be all of the stuff mentioned on
: the web page... just a simple way to get some minimal files from one
: system to another.
:
: My how times have changed. If I want a full-featured telnet client
: I'll opt for CRT/SecureCRT at http://www.vandyke.com instead.
:
: I will keep working on a Z-modem solution, or a UUENCODE/UUDECODE. I
: haven't found a 'hex creator' for the Win98 end or I'd try that and
: ship over the ASCII to be 'dehexed'.
:
: I will also quit trying to use C-Kermit on the VAX end and go back to
: VMS Kermit32 which had no trouble talking to MS-Kermit. Dumb old me
: thought "any kermit would talk to any other kermit" but I guess that
: is just an old fashioned notion.
:
: Lee Roth
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer C-Kermit 8.0 available now!!!
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